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Question about starting the flowering count: Light change (12/12) or appearance of pistils?

Hey folks! A question to see how you all handle this. I had been counting flowering from the exact day I switched the photoperiod to 12/12, but I noticed a gap where the plant takes time to start the actual biological process.

Here’s a reference photo of how the shoots look (this is from August 25th, where the first formed pistils were already visible, although the biological process started a couple of days earlier, calculating around the 23rd).

What date do you take as “Day 1” to follow schedule charts and calculate timing? Do you count from the 12/12 switch or from when the plant shows the first hairs as in the photo? Let me know your thoughts!

@BunkerAriel

as far as I know, breeder specifications always refer to the time from the switch.

I usually count day one of flowering from one day after that.

Good afternoon !!! thank you very much for your point of view, I hope more opinions join in to start what might be a boring debate? but it really helps beginners because that one-week difference I noticed between the cycle change and the appearance of pistils—almost 1 week in my case—makes a difference in flowering when it comes to nutrition, light exposure, and power ..hug, thanks again for sharing …

Im doing the same as @Andy_420, the day i switch the light to 12/12 is what i call flower day 0 and start my count from there.

Different strains will take different times to get started sometimes so if you count from pistils appearing it can complicate things for you if you have more than 1 going.

I’m just starting out on this journey and learning through trial and error in my own space, which is why I find it super interesting to read how you all handle it.

​I totally understand that for a tent with multiple strains or broader management, setting 12/12 as day zero and standardizing the timing is a super convenient tool to keep from going crazy with the numbers.

​But what’s happening to me at this stage of learning is that, by observing them closely every day, the plant sets its own pace. I feel that if I were to rigidly follow a commercial feeding chart or a fixed schedule—for example with feeding—I would probably hit a wall if the plant is asking me for something else. That’s why I’m trying to go more hand-in-hand with what each one shows me and check with a jeweler’s loupe.

​Thank you for sharing your perspectives and helping me keep gaining insight!

Updating as of today ..

Lighting: The intensity on the light panel’s dimmer was increased by one notch, leaving its permanence at that level to be evaluated based on the crop’s response.

Ventilation: The fan was raised flush to improve heat dispersion coming directly down from the panel, avoiding direct airflow over the flowers.

General condition of the plants: They show excellent vigor and overall health, with an even, symmetrical canopy well-guided by the net. The calyxes continue swelling with firm, white, upright pistils, showing only a slight effect on the stigmas at the tip that received direct airflow from the fan.

@BunkerAriel
Really beautiful.

In the background you can see cuttings? Hehe. Nice.

Can you show me how you hung your exhaust? I have that model too and struggle every time to find a good solution.

Hello @KilliczGe! Glad you like how the bunker is coming along.

​Regarding the extractor fan, let me show you how I set it up. Since it’s super lightweight and has practically zero vibration, there’s no need to build a heavy structure for it.

​To hang it, we used a thin wire chain—no thick links or clunky fixtures that aren’t justified for this weight—and wrapped it with aluminum tape to make it look neat and match the reflective material. It stays really firm, looks tidy, takes up zero space, and saves you from dealing with bulky mounts.

​Oh, and what you see in the background aren’t cuttings, but the mixed summer grow; they’re some Big Auto from Heaven Street, in case you want to follow them or check them out.

​Try setting it up like this and save yourself a huge headache!

​Thanks a lot for stopping by. Big hug!

Hello everyone on the forum! Here is a new update on how the indoor bunker is doing with the two photoperiods (Nicole 1 and Nicole 2), which have now fully entered a very interesting advanced flowering stage.
General Status and Canopy: The girls are showing enviable health, with a firm structure under the net and a super even canopy. The vertical stretch is completely behind them; now 100% of the energy is focused on compaction, floral mass, and fattening up.
Flower Development and Resin: Looking at the bud details, the trichome layer looks extremely generous and shiny. The calyxes have already started to swell significantly, marking that key weight transition. As for the pistils, they show a slightly darkened or curled tone at the tips, which is completely natural and expected due to the breeze from direct ventilation and the ripening process (without any light or water stress).
Climate Control: The bunker keeps operating with an unbeatable and fully controlled summer climate. We are working with a stabilized temperature of 27.8°C and a humidity of 45.3%. To achieve this, we have a super active air circuit: exhaust fan and coolers at maximum performance, complemented by the open lower air intake to guarantee a constant, fresh air turnover that prevents heat accumulation under the panel.
Watering and Nutrition: As for the substrate, after a tactile and depth check, I chose to delay watering by one more day. Although the surface and top layer tend to dry quickly due to the strong ventilation, the soil block retains an excellent internal reserve deep down. Therefore, the next scheduled watering for both twins is set for tomorrow, allowing them to absorb and make the most of what remains at the bottom.
Everything is running smoothly and shining bright! I’m leaving photos of how the bunker looks and the flower details today. Happy smokes and happy growing to everyone!

I was about to mention that, be careful if you are planning to force growth in a specific way, for example: If you are thinking about raising the light higher, be very careful with the internode spacing. But if you want to save some time in this phase, you can do it progressively and use Génesis, it is a product that ensures very positive node grouping

Best of luck and as our fellow grower says, always respect its timing, patience is the law of all science !!¡¡ but for the next one, choose the strain most adaptable to your environment and requirements.

Best of luck on your adventure warm regards

Hi, jhonRambow! Thanks a lot for the good vibes and the advice. Luckily, the vertical stretch is behind us now and we are fully focused on compacting and fattening up, keeping the panel close to properly control the climate and structure. I’ll take note of the product and patience as a fundamental rule. Big hug and happy smokes!"

Good luck and keep going with your new phase…

How many weeks of growth do you usually give your crops? I see a very vigorous and strong bone structure in the plant …

To be honest, it wasn’t a standard vegetative stage. We spent 13 weeks in veg and handled them quite a bit in between, doing topping and heavy defoliations; far from stretching, they stayed really short and super compact. On top of that, keep in mind that this is the first time I’ve set up an indoor grow
I started out without even knowing how it worked, not in the middle of winter, nor summer, nor anything. It’s all experimentation; this is the first test grow where we’ve been learning as we go. That’s why I made this post—I’m actually grasping at straws, but well, something will come out of it, and any advice or helping hand you can give me is welcome. I’ll leave you the image and share the link to the Growlog in case you want to check out the step-by-step. Thanks for the good vibes and the sharp eye!

despite my experience, among all of it I don’t have any that contemplates such an extended vegetative time… 13 weeks !! wow… at least indoors.

My indoor growth phases range between 4 and 5 weeks maybe in this aspect I’m the one who needs your experience

​Sure, the thing is that the original plan was to put four twenty-liter pots in the tent. But in the end, we were left with just two due to two unexpected setbacks. One was completely wrecked by the fan blowing directly on it when it was a seedling, and the other seed that was given to me as a gift never popped.

​Since it was already too late to germinate another one and start over, we had to make do with the two that were left in the square meter. That’s why we stretched out the vegetative stage so much and gave them a ton of pruning and training, to try to spread them out as much as possible and manage to cover the whole space with just two plants. That’s where that extra time came from. Big hug

One last thing before I leave for a few days, I’m leaving them watered and ready so they keep fattening up… I wish everyone a nice weekend, happy growing, and good smoke ???

Good morning and that’s how things are going …!!! I’ve been lowering the temperature to encourage the development of dark pigments …still no news