Where to get "organic" seeds?

Right but it allows for gmo grain fed to livestock. Also ime organic tastes way better than synthetic.

Plants and livestock . . . kinda two different subjects, but according to the USDA:

“The use of genetic engineering, or genetically modified organisms (GMOs), is prohibited in organic products. This means an organic farmer can’t plant GMO seeds, an organic cow can’t eat GMO alfalfa or corn, and an organic soup producer can’t use any GMO ingredients. To meet the USDA organic regulations, farmers and processors must show they aren’t using GMOs and that they are protecting their products from contact with prohibited substances, such as GMOs, from farm to table”

A local dude uses the Build a Soil organics (he’s the fella who has my neighbor wanting organic seeds) and grows nice plants. Nothing wrong with organic growing, it’s just not a superior method as so many claim. As for taste, we’ve grown enough clones from the same mother that I think it’s safe to say it is the dry and cure more than the nutes. But of course he says his tastes better, same as you . . . but about 20 other folks who’ve smoked both side by side can’t tell who’s weed is who’s. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don’t. He’s organic, I’m HFF/DTW in coco running the full General Hydroponics line. I think organics to the small scale home grower is just marketing hype . . . he thinks I’m destroying the environment with chem salts.

I think of it like this: Plants uptake nutrients in a certain form only . . . at that level the nutrients are identical in form regardless of source . . . organic or chemical. So if, at the lowest levels, we are giving our plants exactly the same thing why would one identical cation be superior to the other?

Everyone should grow the way they want to . . . I don’t mean to down organics, I just hear so many claims that it’s better when it isn’t. Personally, I think you or anyone else would be hard pressed to find a difference in end product from a well grown organic plant and an equally well grown salts plant if you start with equal genetics and the dry cure processes are the same.

My last grow was a great example of how little difference it makes. I had 2 strains going and both were split between full organic living soil and coco in autopots with full synthetics. I have had about 10 people try the end product and there is absolutely no difference between the two besides the final yields. Unfortunately organics didn’t even come close to the same numbers as the synthetics.

And never will . . . I didn’t touch on yield because I was already concerned with the reaction I’d get to saying organics produce no better end product than synthetics. Got pretty much ran off from one weed forum a few months back for voicing my opinion on organics.

HFF/DTW combined with some crop steering smashes organics for yield . . . it’s been a while but last time I ran clones that were also ran at the same time in Build A Soil branded stuff it wasn’t close. I averaged almost 6 oz per plant more running my old school General Hydroponics stuff in 2 gal pots than the high dollar organics yielded in 7 gallon bags. We both flower under HLG Scorpion Rspec lamps, veg is Mars TSW2000 for the organics and HLG Veg Pro for me.

Hell dude next door runs Happy Frog and Florabloom Lucas formula and comes pretty close to matching the one guy I know who runs organics . . . I just gave them both cuts from a decent Bubbles Blueberry last week so we’ll see how it turns out . . . but I’d bet $$ that BAS will be hitting me up for weed before LUCAS.

I mentioned lamps . . . I’m an HLG person myself, but LUCAS guy has a new Floraflex 700w 4X4 lamp that is nice, good numbers with Photone and costs under $400 if anyone is light shopping . . . and has actually read this far in another of my run-on comments.

I actually have organic seeds. The way I was blessed with these is truly divine. These seeds have been tested and have all 10 cannabinoids. They are the original seeds that are the offsprings from Bob Marley’s mother given to me by a genuine Rastafarian. How many are you looking for? I must say there will be male and females. So, if you want to continue to have your own seeds and not need another external source you will want to grow a male with female plants in an enclosed area or all of your females will become seed bearing and this will also decrease the potency of your harvest. Oh, the grow process for these are so natural that it literally requires water and that’s it. You can add things like molasses later in the growth cycle to change the flavor, but you have found the mother load. As have I. Let me know.

Thanks but they are no longer needed. Neighbor is ordering coco coir and new nutrients as we speak. I think @Crackadoo sharing his experience finally convinced him to forego the transition to organics and move to soilless and full synthetics. Guess the wife is right when she says the neighbor and I are like the proverbial old married couple . . . I told him a thousand times but get someone else to say the same thing here and he’s all in.

LOL! No worried. The offer stands though big you want to let him know. Put them in the ground and water them. I even tested them by placing them in the gravel an inch deep and they are growing beautifully. It’s not just about the grow, it’s about having the full benefits of the plant. No grow lights, special mixtures, or anything other than nature providing what it intends for us to have.

Also, it’s not just couples… it’s children too lol!

If we didn’t plant GMO seeds we wouldn’t have any vegetables and very few fruits. Just about every vegetable we eat is GMO, corn, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, and bananas are a few examples. Unfortunately, we live in an environment that is full of GMO food.

I’d agree . . . without GMO farmers and ranchers wouldn’t be capable of feeding the world.

Thanks I am actually light shopping, I’ll have to check it out.

Likely some good info for anyone interested in soil grows and comparing brands . . . I just run coco and synthetics. I don’t know much about soil growing except it takes too big a pot for a decent sized plant and is more difficult to feed/water properly.

Not even close but OK. I posted it for you. The fist 30 minutes he touches on how organic doesn’t = truly organic when food shopping or buying certain gardening items. I don’t get the attitude for me posting a like that was on topic to our conversation

I love Jeremy, always solid info that’s easy to understand. This is an interesting subject that I’ve never even thought about. I’d say if you’re starting from seed and running organic, you’re okay calling if full organic. The rest is just small shit lol

I just watched that video last night. Cool video. The last 20 minutes was pretty funny. He’s serious about the term “living” soil. And, i cant blame him either. The information is gold. I learned so much more about soil building then I already knew. Good stuff

I think Jeremy was only explaining the difference in what organic soil is compared to “living soil”. It is a small difference in terms of the whole process. But, living soil is just a deeper rabit hole.

for sure, I love their soil and products I use a lot of it for my outdoor garden. My tent I’m switching to coco next grow to see what that’s all about

The first half hour he goes on a rant at what a sham omri ratings are. Also how gmo ends up in organic products.

No “attitude” or offense intended . . . I watched the first few minutes where the guy said it was an in depth soil comparison. I’m sorry but I don’t use soil, have no interest in soil gardening or in watching a 2+ hour video on soils so I didn’t watch long.

If you prefer organic and think it’s a superior method of growing that’s cool . . . I’m not trying to change your mind. At the same time don’t expect me to change my thinking on the subject either. That cool?

Again, I mean no offense . . . as for what makes something organic I just quoted the USDA web site for organic standards, it truly means nothing to me either way.

Make them yourself. Most of the seeds I make are at organic as you can get. Grown outside, FOOP Nutrients, organic soil and inputs, I’m making my own worm castings, I use rabbit manure, biodegradable bags, and they are photo period as GOD intended. However I can’t control the pollution that’s in the air or rain. Just get a pack of photo period and make your own, and use the flower for mulch the first couple of runs that way you know what you got.

Yes these seeds are almost ready. One could almost say that they are not truly organic because they are sitting in a plastic tray and I used a plastic cup to water them and mixed my nutrients in a 5 gallon bucket.